
The serious downside of the trailing stop loss
I just booked my hire car online for the family summer holiday. As we’re picking the car up in downtown Cannes – it seems that the car-hire firms there are catering to a certain type of client. My choice of vehicles included a Lamborghini Aventador … a McLaren MP4 …at prices that made the Maserati convertible look quite a modest choice at just £5k per week.
In the end, I plumped for the Citroen C4 (more boot space) … but even if I get upgraded to … say, a Picasso … I’ll still have a sense of disappointment that some Brad-Pitt-type is probably driving around the south of France in my Lamborghini.
There’s nothing like seeing what you might have had … to make you dissatisfied with what you did get.
And that’s just how my trailing stop losses are tormenting me …
I’ve long had a bit of a love-hate thing with the trailing stop loss …
I love the idea of them – the thought that I’m locking in profits as the price moves. But I’ve struggled to make money with them.
However, I didn’t want to be beaten. I knew there had to be a way to make them work to my advantage, so I’ve been testing a brand-new system (still in developmental stages) that uses a trailing stop loss.
It’s making great profits – around 25% in the first 3 months – so I should be happy, shouldn’t I? Problem is that it’s causing me to face some real psychological barriers in my trading. I never thought a trailing stop loss could be so painful!
Okay, so first up, let me explain a little about trailing stops, and how I’m using them …
The curse of the automated trailing stop loss
The most basic form of a trailing stop loss is an automated one … this is a button you’ll click on your trading platform. It’ll set your stop loss a set distance away from the price.
As the price moves in your favour … the stop loss will follow it devotedly, locking in those profits. But as soon as the price turns tail, it’ll come and knock out that stop.
In theory, they’ll give you lovely profit runs like this …
In practice, they often end up looking more like this …
This is why I don’t use an automated trailing stop loss – they can leave our stops dangling in the wrong place, where you’d never normally consider placing one.
So, instead, I’ll use an ‘intelligent’ trailing stop loss – i.e. I’m manually moving my stop along with the trade, but am basing its position on technicals.
How wide should a trailing stop loss be?
The whole point of a trailing stop loss is that you’re going to give the market its head, so it can run. The hope being that you’ll catch a bigger move, and bigger profits.
So, putting a tight trailing stop loss on negates that – because you’ll be knocked out of your trade at the first pullback.
So, a nice wide trailing stop loss is better?
Hmmm. Problem with a wide trailing stop loss is that you’re going to have to give back that chunk of profits before your trade closes. And here begins my story of pain …
Trailing stops are all about watching the market move in your direction … seeing those profits sitting in your open-trades account … and knowing that you’ll have to give back a share of those profits before you close.
And it’s a tough feeling to get used to.
Here’s what happened on a recent CAC trade for me …
You see, if I’d taken profits at ‘A’ … I’d have been quite happy with my Citroen level profits. But I saw the Lamborghini-level profits … and then had to give them back, and walk away at ‘B’ with the more modest gains.
Psychologically it’s a tough way to trade – I’m always left feeling like I’ve ‘lost out’ – even when I’ve taken a healthy profit.
Combining trailing stops with profit targets
The problem with the trailing stop loss is that he’s a relentless optimist. He sits on your shoulder whispering to you that this trend ‘will run and run’ …. And the truth is that markets just aren’t that exciting most of the time.
Most of the time they move within their fixed ranges, and we need to content ourselves with a modest profit (heck, with ANY profit) on our trades.
For that reason, I’ll always combine my trailing stop loss with an achievable profit target – we have to take profits at the point where we think: ‘that’s enough, I’m happy with that profit.’ If this target is too modest, then we’re not taking advantage of our trailing stop’s benefits. But if it’s too far out, then the pain of giving up the Lamborghini becomes too much to bear.
(In my trade above, the price got around 20 points from my profit target before that pullback that took me out.)
As with all trading, it’s about finding a balance between snatching those profits off the table … or risking giving them back … and between finding what makes the most money … and what suits your personality.
I reckon it’s stuff I still need to work on …
And then I’ve just got to deal with my family moaning at me about the car I’ve booked for the holiday …!










7 comments
pooballs
Wew lad imagine using fixed distance stops. I thought everyone brought their stops in as the price moves further away from entry, until the stop (theoretically) overtakes the price at a set TP. Isn’t that the normal way to do things?
Mark Rose
It’s definitely the risk-averse approach. But if you want a set-and-forget trade, using automated trailing stops can be brutal. Be interested to hear what approach most of you are using?
Steve
Good piece, Mark.
I think that it’s important to recognise and understand certain characteristics which relate to the market which you are trading. In particular its ADR (Average Daily Range) and how consistent that ADR is in terms of the mode average. This kind of analysis can give us additional confidence when applying our trade management (stop loss placement).
What you will generally find is that you will become considerably more profitable when you install a method which results in you taking your profits as price moves in your direction – needless to say, the application of a stop loss is an order to close a position as price is moving against your position. The higher the percentage of trades which get ‘stopped out’ will generally equate to far less overall profits.
Mark Rose
Thanks Steve & Paul for the great feedback. Really good points on using daily ranges and combining trailing stops with scaling into trades. This is straight out of the Turtle-traders text book, and a smart way to improve your risk-reward profile. I’m going to be looking at this again in Friday’s blog post – please keep your comments coming …
Paul H
It makes sense to use trailing stops in conjunction with scaling into trades i.e. starting with a small test position and adding to it as it moves in the right direction. The trailing stop is adjusted so that locked in profits are always greater than the risk.This has the benefit of increasing overall reward to risk on a trade. it also means one can enter into more trades as the big wins will outstrip the small losses.
chris
I hear you, can be punishing , I find when the market nears my target (pivots) I tighten an automatic trailing stop to a risk to reward of 1;1 and if the market breaks I can still capture a quicker move or I might turn it off until it closes in on next target same rule R 1;1 that way odds are always with me not against me
thanks
Mark Rose
Good advice Chris. I really think I need to look at tightening my stops further when I’m that close to my target. Cheers, Mark